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1612 uniforms
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:46 am
by Belg
Hello
we arose a doubt about the allocation made by Front Rank of his series of beautiful napoleonic miniatures, divided into two periods:
1. - "Pre 1812"
2. - "Post 1812"
But for the "1812"?
Where does? Those with "Pre" or those with "Post"?
Wanting to make a wargame army representing the "Grand Army" of the Russian Campaign (1812), what miniatures are better to use?
Probably the "pre-1812", as the "post-1812" should have been made after the huge loss of uniforms, and of those poor souls who wore them, as a result of the disastrous retreat.
You agree?
Re: 1612 uniforms
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:26 am
by Ronan the Librarian
The significance of 1812 in terms of French uniforms, is that it was the year that the Bardin reforms were announced. However, it seems that it took a long time for the new uniforms to be introduced and some/many/all (?) of the units involved in the invasion of Russia had the older style. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable about Bardin and the Russian campaign can give you more details.
Re: 1612 uniforms
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:13 pm
by Belg
Ronan the Librarian wrote:The significance of 1812 in terms of French uniforms, is that it was the year that the Bardin reforms were announced. However, it seems that it took a long time for the new uniforms to be introduced and some/many/all (?) of the units involved in the invasion of Russia had the older style. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable about Bardin and the Russian campaign can give you more details.
Thank you!
Cheers
Re: 1612 uniforms
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:57 pm
by Dfogleman2
Just looked around the web and the consensus seems to be that most, if not all, French infantry wore the pre-Bardin uniform in Russia. Some suggest that many units did not wear the Bardin uniform even in 1813.
Re: 1612 uniforms
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:18 am
by Belg
Dfogleman2 wrote:Just looked around the web and the consensus seems to be that most, if not all, French infantry wore the pre-Bardin uniform in Russia. Some suggest that many units did not wear the Bardin uniform even in 1813.
So for the "Grande Armee" (1812) should be better the "pre-1812" miniatures?
Re: 1612 uniforms
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:53 pm
by Friedrich August I.
Belg wrote:Dfogleman2 wrote:Just looked around the web and the consensus seems to be that most, if not all, French infantry wore the pre-Bardin uniform in Russia. Some suggest that many units did not wear the Bardin uniform even in 1813.
So for the "Grande Armee" (1812) should be better the "pre-1812" miniatures?
Yes, "pre-1812".
The Uniforms until the desastrous Campaign in Russia have been in the fanciest style possible. When the French Army was re raised in 1813 nothing of the former splendour remained exept some units of the Imperial Guard.
Most visible aspects are the loss of the tall Plumes, the Tassels and Epaulettes on the Uniforms. The shorter Tails of the Coats "a la Bardin" and the use of long trousers instead of gaiters.
All units which did not perish in Russia, i.e., those in Spain, kept their old uniforms and not even newly raised Troops of Napoleons new Grande Armeè 1813, approx. 450.000 Men, got complete new Uniforms.
Hope that helps,
Günter
Re: 1612 uniforms
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 5:25 pm
by Belg
Friedrich August I. wrote:Belg wrote:Dfogleman2 wrote:Just looked around the web and the consensus seems to be that most, if not all, French infantry wore the pre-Bardin uniform in Russia. Some suggest that many units did not wear the Bardin uniform even in 1813.
So for the "Grande Armee" (1812) should be better the "pre-1812" miniatures?
Yes, "pre-1812".
The Uniforms until the desastrous Campaign in Russia have been in the fanciest style possible. When the French Army was re raised in 1813 nothing of the former splendour remained exept some units of the Imperial Guard.
Most visible aspects are the loss of the tall Plumes, the Tassels and Epaulettes on the Uniforms. The shorter Tails of the Coats "a la Bardin" and the use of long trousers instead of gaiters.
All units which did not perish in Russia, i.e., those in Spain, kept their old uniforms and the not even the newly raised Troops of Napoleons new Grande Armeè 1813, approx. 450.000 Men, got complete new Uniforms.
Hope that helps,
Günter
He Günter
many thanks, really helpful, or I might say: yes Sir, loud and clear!
Cheers,
Sergio