smaller german states (ratings)

[El Cid]

My question:

Has anybody of you - except me - been then and there ?

I only would answer these questions, if I have historical proof.

I sometimes find new solutions in reading (in my case german) sources.

Everything else is pure guessing and really not worth quarrelling about.

An Austrian saying is: Stop fighting and start playing.

Maybe that could be a solution.

[ciaphas]

hi while i agree with some of that if there was no debate nor discussion new players wouldnt learn half as much, still interested in oppinions on the three or four questions i have posted as "I" dont know and would like to game as close to historically correct as possible.

which was the basis from which i have posted the original and then subsequent questions.

i still am unsure of ratings - but alittle wiser
but have no idea on pikes nor rank fire over no pike and platoon firing.

jon

[Motorway]

The French dropped the pike in 1703, the English in 1704, and in the Empire between 1701 and 1705.

On the 18th of October 1708, the order was signed to drop the pike in the States' Army for two months. In January 1709 the pike was dropped definitely.

I got this from an atrticle by Dr. Olaf ban Nimwegen in the yearbook of the dutch Army Museum Armamentaria, Vol 30 His sources are in the notes, number 11. The article also deals with cavalry tactics, cavalry armour and the switch from matchlck to flintlock.

You can find the article HERE

[Captain of Dragoons]

Lunebergers anyone

cheers
Edward

[El Cid]

@Captain of Dragoons

What do you need concerning the Kur-Braunschweig-Lüneburger troops ?

The rating of the troops or dropping of the pike ?

Or information in general, or on the uniforms, regimental commanders, etc pp ?

[Captain of Dragoons]

Hello EL Cid

What caught my attention about the Lunebergers was a reference to them in accounts of the Battle of Walcourt. The accounts make reference to the Coldstream Regiment holding the village/gate against the French Guards and they were reinforce by a "Luneberg Battalion".

Any idea which battalion? And since you brought it up did the Lunebergers carry the pike during the War of the Grand Alliance?

For the table top I would rate the Lunebergers at least as Drilled.

cheers
Edward

[obriendavid]

Has anybody of you - except me - been then and there ?
I only would answer these questions, if I have historical proof.
I sometimes find new solutions in reading (in my case german) sources.
Everything else is pure guessing and really not worth quarrelling about.
Maybe that could be a solution.

Couldn't agree more, unless there is definite proof then everything else is just one persons opinion against another, so just roll dice and have some fun.
Cheers
Dave

[Captain of Dragoons]

El Cid wrote:
Has anybody of you - except me - been then and there ?
I only would answer these questions, if I have historical proof.
I sometimes find new solutions in reading (in my case german) sources.
Everything else is pure guessing and really not worth quarrelling about.
Maybe that could be a solution.

Dave Wrote
Couldn't agree more, unless there is definite proof then everything else is just one persons opinion against another, so just roll dice and have some fun.
Cheers
Dave

That's one of the things about this period, we are not 100% sure on everything: Uniforms, Order of Battles, Flags, etc. It allows for your best guess and some of your own ideas and personality in your regiments.

cheers
Edward

[El Cid]

@Captain of Dragoons

It could be (educated guess):

Leibregiment Lüneburg / Hillebrandt von Nettelhorst

On the digam plate of Walcourt Ordre de Bataille

http://www.digam.net/image.php?file=dok ... 5e3f152099

you can read:

2nd row = Brigade Monsieur Le Prince de Birckenfeld
3rd from left = Nettelhorst

it's the only regiment I can definitely identify as Kur-Braunschweig-Lüneburg in this battle-order

stay tuned - more to follow

[danschorr]

To answer your questions:

did the Lunebergers carry the pike during the War of the Grand Alliance?

Yes.

Any idea which battalion?

von Linstow

By way of correction to your statement:

The accounts make reference to the Coldstream Regiment holding the village/gate against the French Guards and they were reinforce by a "Luneberg Battalion"

von Linstow had occupied Walcourt from the very beginning, and had withstood French attacks alone until mid-afternoon when reinforced by Wolfenbüttel Battalion von Holle and your Coldstream Guards.

Sources:

von Sichart, "Geschichte der Königlich-Hannoverschen Armee". Vol. I, Hannover 1866.

P.L. Muller, "William III. von Oranien und Georg Friedrich von Waldeck", Vol.II, Haag 1873.

[El Cid]

Dan Schorr is the authority.

"Linsto...." is the regiment next to Nettelhorst, and should be the old von Friesen (Obrist von Linstow replaced the commander in 1685).

But the correct naming of the regiments is very complicated, as shown in other sources I tried:

http://www.spanishsuccession.nl/armies_ ... ments.html

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_ ... Regimenter


Unfortunately I don't have "the Sichard" at home.

Thanks Dan for the quick solving of the "problem".

[footslogger]

I got this from an atrticle by Dr. Olaf ban Nimwegen in the yearbook of the dutch Army Museum Armamentaria, Vol 30 His sources are in the notes, number 11. The article also deals with cavalry tactics, cavalry armour and the switch from matchlck to flintlock.

You can find the article HERE

Nice article. Thanks for the link. I wish Google translate worked better.

[Captain of Dragoons]

Thanks Dan, great info.

Cheers
Edward

ps: how would you rate those regiments in BLB2 terms: Raw, Drilled, Guard or Elite?

[danschorr]

Edward,

I'm afraid that I cannot be of much help with BLB2 classifications. I am unfamiliar with their definitions. I will say, however, that Lüneberg units were generally solid and reliable, as were the troops from the other Brunswick duchies (Hannover and Wolfenbüttel).

Dan