Battle of Castiglione - 8th September 1706

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Battle of Castiglione - 8th September 1706

Post by Belg » Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:22 pm

Hi,
I’m looking for detailed informations about the battle of Castiglione (North Italy – Lombardy) of 8th September 1706, fought between a Franco-Hispanic army, under the command of Marshal Jacques E. Rouxel, Count of Grancey and Médavy and an Imperial army formed by Germanic troops (Hessians) under the command of Prince Frederick of Hessen-Kassel.
The Franco-Hispanic won a great victory.
In particular I need the order of battle of the two armies, that the two lists with the names of the regiments that formed the opposing forces.
Many thanks for those who can give me some help.
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Re: Battle of Castiglione - 8th September 1706

Post by Rob Herrick » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:12 pm

From the Nafziger Collection (file 706XAF), I was able to find an order of battle for French Forces Commanded by de Medavi, but I do not have a date on it, other than 1706:

1st Line:
Brigade: Brigadier du Bosquet
La Reine Cavalry Regiment (3 sqns)
Verac Cavalry Regiment (2 sqns)
Autichamp Cavalry Regiment (2 sqns)

Brigade: Brigadier de Grancey
Grancey Infantry Regiment (2 bns)
Soissonais Infantry Regiment (l bn)
Ponthieu Infantry Regiment (l bn)
Medoc Infantry Regiment (l bn)
Forez Infantry Regiment (l bn)
Beaujolais Infantry Regiment (2 bns)
Vogue Infantry Regiment (l bn)
Ile-de-France Infantry Regiment (l bn)
Limousin Infantry Regiment (2 bns)

Brigade: Brigadier d'Imecourt
Forbin Cavalry Regiment (2 sqns)
Grammont Cavalry Regiment (2 sqns)
Chartres Cavalry Regiment (3 sqns)

2nd Line: M. de Courtade
Cavalry:
Rennepont Cavalry Regiment (2 sqns)
Harcourt Cavalry Regiment (2 sqns)
Du Luc Cavalry Regiment (l sqn)

Infantry:
Bigorre Infantry Regiment (l bn)
Desgrigny Infantry Regiment (2 bns)
Dauphine Infantry Regiment (2 bns)

Cavalry:
Melun Cavalry Regiment (2 sqns)
Montgon Cavalry Regiment (l sqn)
Magnière Cavalry Regiment (2 sqns)

Reserve:
Dutronc Infantry Regiment (3 bns)
Spanish Infantry (l bn)
Souscarrière Infantry Regiment (2 bns)

Nafziger gives the source as French Archives, Vol l63, No. 263
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Re: Battle of Castiglione - 8th September 1706

Post by Belg » Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:43 pm

Rob Herrick wrote:From the Nafziger Collection (file 706XAF), I was able to find an order of battle for French Forces Commanded by de Medavi, but I do not have a date on it, other than 1706:

1st Line:
Brigade: Brigadier du Bosquet
La Reine Cavalry Regiment (3 sqns)
Verac Cavalry Regiment (2 sqns)
Autichamp Cavalry Regiment (2 sqns)

Brigade: Brigadier de Grancey
Grancey Infantry Regiment (2 bns)
Soissonais Infantry Regiment (l bn)
Ponthieu Infantry Regiment (l bn)
Medoc Infantry Regiment (l bn)
Forez Infantry Regiment (l bn)
Beaujolais Infantry Regiment (2 bns)
Vogue Infantry Regiment (l bn)
Ile-de-France Infantry Regiment (l bn)
Limousin Infantry Regiment (2 bns)

Brigade: Brigadier d'Imecourt
Forbin Cavalry Regiment (2 sqns)
Grammont Cavalry Regiment (2 sqns)
Chartres Cavalry Regiment (3 sqns)

2nd Line: M. de Courtade
Cavalry:
Rennepont Cavalry Regiment (2 sqns)
Harcourt Cavalry Regiment (2 sqns)
Du Luc Cavalry Regiment (l sqn)

Infantry:
Bigorre Infantry Regiment (l bn)
Desgrigny Infantry Regiment (2 bns)
Dauphine Infantry Regiment (2 bns)

Cavalry:
Melun Cavalry Regiment (2 sqns)
Montgon Cavalry Regiment (l sqn)
Magnière Cavalry Regiment (2 sqns)

Reserve:
Dutronc Infantry Regiment (3 bns)
Spanish Infantry (l bn)
Souscarrière Infantry Regiment (2 bns)

Nafziger gives the source as French Archives, Vol l63, No. 263
Hi Rob,
many thanks for the very useful informations.
If the order of battle refers to an event on 1706, it is certainly possible that this is just the battle of Castiglione, as it should be the only fought in that year by the Count de Medavi, as it appears in the list of his battles on the following Wikipedia page:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_El ... de_Grancey

Can you please tell me what is it the "Nafziger Collection (file 706XAF)"? Is it a book? Or is it a website?
Sincerely,
Sergio
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Re: Battle of Castiglione - 8th September 1706

Post by Belg » Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:58 pm

Many thanks,
Cheers,
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Re: Battle of Castiglione - 8th September 1706

Post by Belg » Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:01 pm

Belg wrote:Hi Rob,
many thanks for the very useful informations.
If the order of battle refers to an event on 1706, it is certainly possible that this is just the battle of Castiglione, as it should be the only fought in that year by the Count de Medavi, as it appears in the list of his battles on the following Wikipedia page:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_El ... de_Grancey

Can you please tell me what is it the "Nafziger Collection (file 706XAF)"? Is it a book? Or is it a website?
Sincerely,
Sergio
I have found it:
http://www.cgsc.edu/CARL/nafziger/706XAF.pdf

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Re: Battle of Castiglione - 8th September 1706

Post by Rob Herrick » Sun Sep 16, 2012 2:34 am

Some Background:

George Nafziger is a historian and wargaming enthusiast in Westchester, Ohio who has collected some of the largest collections of orders of battle in the world. Up to ~2010, he would sell them. As he got older and the equipment the orders of battle are stored on got older, he realized two things:
1) the risk of losing the collection due to mechanical disfunction was high (they had serious problems transferring it to more modern equipment)
2) If something happened to him, his family might well just toss the old equipment and lose the priceless collection.

So he donated it to the wargamers and historians of the world.

The repository is held by the US Army, but there is a much faster download site here:
http://www.alternatewars.com/CARL/Nafgizer_CARL.htm

The individual PDFs are held in batch zip archives, for faster downloading. I have the whole collection on my laptop for easy reference.
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Re: Battle of Castiglione - 8th September 1706

Post by Belg » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:57 pm

Rob Herrick wrote:Some Background:

George Nafziger is a historian and wargaming enthusiast in Westchester, Ohio who has collected some of the largest collections of orders of battle in the world. Up to ~2010, he would sell them. As he got older and the equipment the orders of battle are stored on got older, he realized two things:
1) the risk of losing the collection due to mechanical disfunction was high (they had serious problems transferring it to more modern equipment)
2) If something happened to him, his family might well just toss the old equipment and lose the priceless collection.

So he donated it to the wargamers and historians of the world.

The repository is held by the US Army, but there is a much faster download site here:
http://www.alternatewars.com/CARL/Nafgizer_CARL.htm

The individual PDFs are held in batch zip archives, for faster downloading. I have the whole collection on my laptop for easy reference.
Very interesting, thank you very much for the information.

Too bad that in the orders of battle of the year 1706 there will be only the French army at Castiglione, and not also that of the German-Imperials (Hesse-Kassel, and perhaps other German principalities and duchies, given the mentioned (by Robert Hall) presence of the battalion Brandenburgh-Bayreuth).
In the brief description of the battle I found on Wikipedia (Italian version) it is written that to the first assault against the imperials positions they were sent the Spanish only.
At the Order of battle found, it is listed only one battalion of Spanish, even not identified.
Strange!
The French Commander had started the day by sending only one battalion to the assault?
Something's not right, is it? :roll:
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Re: Battle of Castiglione - 8th September 1706

Post by Belg » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:09 pm

http://wikipedia.kataweb.it/wiki/Battag ... %281706%29

And this is the translation of the period, using the help of Google-Translator:

At 14, marked the beginning of the hostilities an attack of the first line of the Franco-Hispanic, made up by the Spanish infantry, immediately targeted by strong artillery placed on the wings of the imperial line and then contrasted with the first line of the imperial grenadiers. The most experienced of the Austrian troops blocked the attack of the Spaniards, pressing them until the second Franco-Hispanic line, made up of French veterans, which forced the Imperials to retreat in order, poor little threatened by the French artillery.

Then:
ONE only Spanish battalion attacked the Imperial line of about almost 8000 men?
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