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french 1690 uniform details

Post by cantbeatdavy » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:51 pm

hi all
just painted up some of Lurkios great French figs.im wondering about number of flags per regiment,also colours for the shoulder tassles?
any help would be great.
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Re: french 1690 uniform details

Post by quindia » Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:51 am

According to Mark Allen's WI articles each battalion carried three colors, with the senior battalion carrying the white colonel's color. I think most wargamers field two colors per unit for BLB sized units...

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The color of the tassels varies from unit to unit... which units were you thinking of fielding?
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Post by Friedrich August I. » Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:17 am

Only a few... very crazy few...like me...put 3 flags into one Battalion while the Regiment had 10 flags, 1 for each company, in reality.

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Re: french 1690 uniform details

Post by cantbeatdavy » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:30 pm

i think 2 flags per BG will look great...but i will try 3 just to see.
the regiments will be FOREZ,LA MARCH and TOURNASIS.not sure of the spellings.
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Re: french 1690 uniform details

Post by cantbeatdavy » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:24 pm

hi Fried A
the flags you have on your figs are completely different from the ones i seen on this site.
why is that?
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Post by quindia » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:15 pm

Those are Saxons, not French! Just a general example, I think...
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Post by Russian James » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:20 pm

...also 'Friedrich August I' tends not to do 'small'... :lol:

I'll be using three colours on my Russian GNW infantry regiments as well.
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Re: french 1690 uniform details

Post by Churchill » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:46 am

Ray.
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Re: french 1690 uniform details

Post by cantbeatdavy » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:42 am

oh my....what great painting.
thats all noted.
now what about shoulder tassles for the french,which colours?
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Post by Churchill » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:09 pm

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Post by j1mwallace » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:58 pm

Very often red or blue. No regulation colour . It depended on the colonel.
Also often the colour of the regimental facings
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Post by 18th Century Guy » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:57 pm

I put 4 flags in my WSS French battalions. I'm kind of a nut for flags.
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Re: french 1690 uniform details

Post by Graf Bretlach » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:01 pm

Cantbeatdavy

No coincidence that those 3 regiments were all sent to Ireland and @ the Boyne, what about the other two?
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Re: french 1690 uniform details

Post by cantbeatdavy » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:37 pm

BUSTED....
indeed they did come over.im gona replay using approx 50% of the forces present.so ive picked regiments that i can find reasonable info on to paint up.FOG uses 6 base strong battle groups to represent regiments.
thats the way i see it working out ok..i hope.
also cheers for the tassle colours...great help.
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Re: french 1690 uniform details

Post by Arthur » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:52 pm

Sorry, chiming in a bit late.

Earlier in the C17th, each infantry company carried its own standard. However, a royal ordinance dated June 22 1671 reduced the number of flags to three per battalion. An infantry battalion carried one white (colonel's) and two coloured (known as ordonnance) flags. In the case of multi-battalion regiments, the white colonel's colour was carried by the first battalion while the second, third or fourth battalions had coloured drapeaux d'ordonnance only.

In practice, the royal ordinance of 1671 doesn't seem to have been fully implemented as lists of French colours captured during the WSS suggest that some units still carried four colours per battalion : at Blenheim for instance, the two-battalion Artois regiment lost six drapeaux d'ordonnance when it should have had only five, and Pierre Charrié cites many other instances of French regiments surrendering more drapeaux d'ordonnance than they should have possessed.

Re the shoulder ribbons, yes, their tinctures varied from regiment to regiment (some were in the colonel proprietor's livery colours, but this was not systematic) and are not always recorded. Check out René Chartrand's MAA on Louis XIV's army and Robert Hall's magnum opus for descriptions of those that are known to us (they were originally bunches of ribbons by the way, not tassles). They seem to have gradually fallen out of favour during the 1690's (not all period engravings show them, especially those by Guérard) and they were mostly gone by 1700, except in the cavalry where they survived as aiguillettes well into the C18th.

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