Battle of Staffarda

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Battle of Staffarda

Post by Milanese » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:53 am

Hi Have OOB of the French but cannot find OOB Savoy and its Allies.
Any help appreciated.
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Re: Battle of Staffarda

Post by El Cid » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:06 pm

could you supply the French OOB ?
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Re: Battle of Staffarda

Post by Milanese » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:11 pm

www.cgsc.edu/CARL/nafziger/690HAA.PDF‎

Nice small, easily recreated army.
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Re: Battle of Staffarda

Post by El Cid » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:16 pm

Thanks.

The OOB for the Savoyan army plus Austrians will be a slight problem.

There seems to exist none.

I tried to find out all the participating regiments by searching the regimental histories, but it´s not finished until now.
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Re: Battle of Staffarda

Post by flick40 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:04 am

When I put this battle on at a convention I didn't find OOBs either. I just did some math on the Wiki from the size of the forces. That gave me a ballpark figure of Sqdn/Battalions to build from. Then I researched the armies and battle online to create the units.

The French were outnumbered but did their homework of the battlefield prior to the fight. The duke did not and his flank was turned when the French showed up through a marsh the duke had thought impenetrable. It's a fun fight.

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Re: Battle of Staffarda

Post by El Cid » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:31 pm

The Austrians didnt participate in the battle, but the Spanish Army of the Duchy of Milan and their German regiments (Württemberg for instance).

Boeri/Mirecki/Palau and others think the complete state troops of Milan to be present at Staffarda.
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Re: Battle of Staffarda

Post by Milanese » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:49 am

re Spanish Milanese troops @ staffarda

I hope so, nice to have non-Savoyard/Austrian representations in that theatre.

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Re: Battle of Staffarda

Post by flick40 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:40 am

Anyone have any luck finding the Savoy OOB for this battle?
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Re: Battle of Staffarda

Post by Churchill » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:15 am

Ray.
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Re: Battle of Staffarda

Post by Motorway » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:35 am

From what I could deduce from "Histoire Militaire de Piemont", by Comte de Saluces, (to be found on google books), the following Savoyard regiments were present ar Staffarde:

- Guards Regiment (foot)
- Regiment Savoie
- Regiment Montferrat
- Regiment Piemont
- Regiment Seluces
- Regiment du roi Dragons
- Regiment Aoste

Cavalry Company of Gendarmes.
Regiment Cheveaux Legers

I can not conform if the Royal Calary was present at Staffarde.

Probably some more info can be found in Brancassio's "L'esercito del vecchio Piemonte", but I don't have access to this work. Maybe some of the Italian member here can?
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Re: Battle of Staffarda

Post by El Cid » Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:32 pm

A) Genealogia

Reggimento Fucilieri di Sua Altezza Reale (Torino, Vercelli, sedi varie, 1690-1774)
Reggimento di "Aosta" (Alessandria, Torino, sedi varie, 1774-1799)

That means:
In 1690 the later "Aosta" was founded/named as "Fucilieri" (see above), and is found in historical context as such.


B) "Seluces" is Saluzzo.


C) 2 companies of the Royal Cavalry Household (Guardie del Corpo, due compagnie) are mentioned for this very battle


D) and seemingly all 3 dragoon regiments (Dragoni di S.A.R or red dragoons; Dragoni Genovese or green dragoons, Dragoni di Piemonte or Gialli / yellow dragoons) were present, since the Charge of the yellow dragoons is proofed by various sources and is also a popular Piemontese motive.


Just to clarify.
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Re: Battle of Staffarda

Post by danschorr » Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:43 pm

I apologize for coming late to this party. I asked a friend in Italy, GianCarlo Boeri, if he had any information on the composition of the Savoyard-Spanish Army at Staffarda, and he provided the following:

Spanish Army at Staffarda 1690 OdB

Spanish Infantry: Tercios de Lombardia, Savoya, Mar de Napoles, del duque de San Pedro (=S. Pietro Spinola)
Italian Infantry : Benedetto Alì, Bonesana, Porlezza, Dentici, Marco Antonio Colonna
German Infantry : Regiments of Michele Ulbin and Simon Enriquez de Cabrera
Cavalry : dragoni dello Stato di Milano, Bavarian Cuirassiers d'Arco, cavalleria dello Stato di Milano, cavalleria straniera (German) dello Stato di Milano, cavalleria napoletana

Savoyard Army at Staffarda 1690 OdB
Infantry : Reggimento Guardie, Piemonte, Savoia, Saluzzo, Mondovì, Croce bianca, Fucilieri
Cavalry : 4 Companies Guardie del Corpo; Dragoni di Sua Altezza Reale (Dragoni rossi); Dragoni del Genevois (Dragoni verdi); Genti d’armi
Artillery – 12 guns


I hope this is of some help.

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Re: Battle of Staffarda

Post by flick40 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:33 pm

Dan you are amazing!! Thanks to you and all others on this.

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Re: Battle of Staffarda

Post by El Cid » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:30 pm

@Danschorr

Could you provide a contact to Gian-Carlo Boeri ?

I first met him in Naples (in the Museum) back in the early 1980´s, but unfortunately (and sadly) we lost contact during the years.

Great to hear he´s still active.

Maybe you could help.
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Re: Battle of Staffarda

Post by El Cid » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:19 pm

Reading other threads helps a lot:

Histoire Militaire Du Règne De Louis Le Grand, Roy De France, Oú L ..., Volume 2

http://books.google.fr/books?id=zvFFAAA ... &q&f=false

page 296 ff (-304 approx.)

La Bataille de Staffarde (in French)

again, no ordre de Bataille for the Savoyan army
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