scottish clans 1690s

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scottish clans 1690s

Post by cantbeatdavy » Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:46 pm

hi all
just about to start clansmen for the 1689-90 period,Killicrankie etc.a couple of questions....

if i have a group of clansmen - will they all wear the same tartan?

ive read that Dundee had a regiment of irish pike and shot,where these uniformed or did they wear civilian clothing?

the two "regiments" of jacobite horse at Killicrankie .how would they have been uniformed?

thanks all,anything would be great.

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Re: scottish clans 1690s

Post by yar68 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:28 pm

Nope, the highlanders wouldn't where the same tartan, just paint them all different coloured tartans.
Cannon's Irish are probably the unit your thinking off, they were infact an Irish Dragoon regt, Colonel Nicholas Purcell's Dragoons, I painted them in red with yellowish cuffs, but others have them in grey/white coats and cuffs, they're also depicted in the Killicrankie book "I met the Devil & Dundee" like this. And as they were Dragoons they shouldn't/wouldn't have any pike.
As for the Jacobite Horse, I painted them in civillian clothing, you could paint a few of them in a red coat cuffed in yellow to represent the last of Dundee's own disbanded regt The Royal regt of Horse? Nobody actually knows this one so you could paint them up anyway you want to??
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Post by obriendavid » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:42 pm

Ray is correct, the clan tartans that we know now didn't really come about until they were 'discovered' by two Italians who were trying to impress Queen Victoria. They claimed to have found a volume which showed all the clan tartans. Paintings of the period often show people wearing two or three different tartans together.
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Re: scottish clans 1690s

Post by markdo » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:30 am

They were Poles, Dave. They claimed to be Prince Charlie's grandchildren, I think. But the salient point is that they invented modern tartan for our tourist industry!
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Post by cantbeatdavy » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:54 am

hi chaps
thats great,once they arrive i can get painting....then a trip to the optician... all that tartan GREAT.

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Post by obriendavid » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:34 am

cantbeatdavy wrote:hi chaps
thats great,once they arrive i can get painting....then a trip to the optician... all that tartan GREAT.
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I would keep the tartans quite simple and not the complicated ones we have now, weaving looms in the 17th century would struggle to produce modern tartans.
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Post by obriendavid » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:37 am

markdo wrote:They were Poles, Dave. They claimed to be Prince Charlie's grandchildren, I think. But the salient point is that they invented modern tartan for our tourist industry!
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Thanks for that Mark, I knew they were 'foreign Jonnys' but couldn't remember if they were Polish or Italian, a bit like Charlie himself :wink:
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Post by Cameronian » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:01 pm

I went for the mixed look when assembling Sherrifmuir forces, inventing patterns as I went along:
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Dyes are interesting too, as coastal clans would have dyes available to them that inland clans wouldn't.
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Post by markdo » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:22 pm

Hang on Dave- Prince Charlie was not born in Britain through no fault of his own. I'm touchy on this as I was also born in exile through my dad's meanderings.
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Re: scottish clans 1690s

Post by cantbeatdavy » Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:14 pm

hi all
all great stuff...will keep the tartan simple and playaround with the bases to make them look "wild".
thanks for all the ideas.
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Re: scottish clans 1690s

Post by Russian James » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:20 pm

Think 'tweed' rather than 'tartan' for this period...
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Re: scottish clans 1690s

Post by EvilGinger » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:09 pm

the sort of patterns you would paint on ancient or dark age Celts are also a good inspiration after all the dyes and manufacturing techniques used had hardly changed.

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Re: scottish clans 1690s

Post by cantbeatdavy » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:53 am

hi all
tweed it is.....apologies if any of my fellow celts have been offended.
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