Suitable Rules for Crimea

[thinredline]

Given the success of your Napoleonic Rules with the L.OG.W., and the likelihood we will be gaming Crimean action at some point in the not too distant future, I would propose that we use these rules for that period of warfare.

Would you change anything in particular, or jst go with the rules as is

Thinredline

[barr7430]

I think putting our heads together to create a wee Crimean supplement would be good
All firing and combat mechanisms as written.

I think we should re assess troop quality, formations, artillery(the very heavy guns), rifles and possibly Turkish Irregular cavalry.


B

[thinredline]

I suppose the eccentricities, downright ineptitude and sheer brilliance (of a limited few) of some predominantly British Commanders can be adequately covered by Command ability dice at the outset, and a distinctive flavour to the wild cards at each turn

I should hate to see Lord Raglan order an attack upon the French, only to see his incompetent Staff carry it through

I shall get busy

Thinredline

[thinredline]

Gentlemen, (and Ladies)
It should come as no surprise that my collection of Crimean Wargaming Figures continues to expand. My only regret is that I am now outsourcing painting services abroad to achieve a painting standard (sometimes in excess of my own) to bolster the completion of the ever growing volume of unpainted lead

My forte has never been the use and implemetation of "Rulests"
I have always relied upon the inherent honesty and common sense of my fellow wargamers, and their interpretation of any ruleset being used. To this end, I am indebted to my fellow wargamers

I have been fortunate to acquire a substantial volume of lead from Graham Robertson (of the Glasgow Wargames Club" and he has kindly suggested the use of Fire an Fury as a reasonable Rulset for use in this theatre

As an alternative , WI Nos 230 + 231 carried "From the Black Sea to the Baltic" by Mark Shearwood.

Both rulesets will have to be tested in relation to the Crimea, as my good friend Dave O'Brien points out, the world was changing in 1854, but the technological differences were of little difference in the field for troops actively engaged in the Crimea

Reports will feedback here - and not thro "The Times"
We have not yet taken Sevastopal, let alone the Malakoff"

Thinredline

[barr7430]

Bob, my decision to keep most of my Crimean collection now seems like the right one. You and I can playtest F&F and my own Naps rules with amendments whenever you are available. It would be good to get dates in the diary in advance for me because of my antisocial business life s
I can currently supply

5 x 24 figure russian battalion
2 x 18 figure russian naval battalions
6 x russian 6pdrs
1 x 40 figure russian uhlan regiment
12 Russian skirmishers

1 x 24 figure French Battalion
1 x 18 figure Black Watch
2 x Turkish 32 pdrs?
1 x Turkish infantry battalion
3 x British heavy mortars
1 x British understrength Guards battalion
1 x British understrength line battalion
2 x 95th rifle companies (8 figures)

Unpainted lead: about 150 castings

Alas all of the rest of it went west............

[thinredline]

Mmmm,

This might take some time to enummerate, but I'll have a review of the troops and get back to you before the weekend is over.

The unpainted lead stockpile was being eroded, but it keeps filling up again due to my "compulsive and acquisitive" behaviour.
Or am I just "mad"

Play testing - sounds like a good idea. My calendar is pretty free, with only tentative committments to the show dates next year and of course LOGW. I shall purchase a copy of Fire + Fury forthwith, heavens, I might even read them

Thinredline

[obriendavid]

Bob, have you looked at 'The Thin Red Streak' wargames rules for field actions in the Crimean War by Stephen Allen?

I haven't played them myself but if you would like to see them I could bring them along to the next LoGW weekend, you're most welcome to borrow them. As for Crimean figures, I have mentioned in the past that my main interest has always been Turks so I might be tempted to paint a few battalions if needed, the plus side is that I could always use them as Egyptians in winter uniforms for my Egyptian Revolt/Early Sudan games. Greeks would be another interesting force to put together but other than at Evpatoria did they fight elsewhere?

Cheers
Dave

[thinredline]

Aaaaah well,

If yir head wis sair before, it'll be burling efter ye read this - squire

Collection as it stands to date :-

Contingent Troop Type Strength Status

BRITISH

CAVALRY Hussars 30 Painted
12 unpainted
Lancers (LD's) 24 Painted
Dragoons (Scots Greys) 20 Painted
Other Heavy Dragoons 66 Painted
Light Dragoons 24 Painted

INFANTRY Guards 4x48 man Bns Painted
1x48man Bn Unpainted

Highlanders 3x32 man Bns Painted 1x48 man Bn Painted

Line 8x24 man Bns In Sri Lanka being painted
4x32 man Bns Painted
2x40 man Bns Painted
Rifles 30 skirmishers Painted
Rifles 50 Skirmishers Unpainted
Ghukali/Rifles 50 Rifles Unpainted

Marines 2x24 man Bns Unpainted
RN Sailors 1x24 man Bn Unpainted

ARTILLERY

Guns 64 Pdrs 1(Painted) + 3 Unpainted
32 Pdrs + 3 Unpainted
Columbiads (32) Pdr 10 unpainted
18 Pdrs
18 Pdrs
13" Mortars 3 Painted
9 Pdrs 9 Painted
9 Pdrs 6 unpainted
6 Pdrs 9 painted
6 Pdrs 15 unpainted

Gun Crews RHA 24 Painted
RHA 24 Unpainted
RA 64 Painted
RA 60 Unpainted
Naval Gun Crew 44 Painted

RMA 40 Unpainted

Limber Crews RHA 18 Painted
RHA 26 Unpainted
RA 15 Unpainted

TURKISH

Cavalry Lancers 36 Painted
Bashi-Bazouks 12 Painted

Infantry Lights 1x20 Man Bn Painted
Line 1x32 man Bn Unpainted
4x40 man Bns Painted

Artillery Crew 20 men Painted
10 men Unpainted

Guns 6 Pounders 4 Painted
6 Pounders 1 Painted
9 Pounders 1 Unpainted
9 Pounders 1 Unpainted

FRENCH

Cavalry Chasseurs 'd' Afrique 56 Unpainted

Infantry Grenadiers 1x16 man Bn Painted
Line 3x13 man Bn Painted
224 figs Unpainted
Zouaves 28 men Painted
50 men Unpainted

Artillery Crews 10 men Painted
60 men Unpainted

Guns 7x6Pdrs Unpainted
1x9Pdrs Painted
1x9Pdrs Unpainted
1x18Pdrs Painted
2x18drs Unpainted

WUSSIAN

Cavalry Dragoons 7x6 man Sqdrns Painted
Dragoons 6x6 man Sqdrns Unpainted
Comp Uhlans 1x6 man Sqdrn Painted
Uhlans/Lancers 10x6 man Sqdrns Painted
Uhlans/Lancers 2x6 man Sqdrns UnPainted
Hussars 2x6 man Sqdrns Painted
Hussars 14x6 man Sqdrns Unpainted
Cossacks 18 men Painted
24 men On paint table
Cossacks (BofB) 30 Men Painted
Cossacks (BofB) 24 Men Unpainted

INFANTRY Line/Jaegers 11x24 man Bns Painted
4x28 man Bns Painted
7x32 man Bns Painted
1x36 man Bn Painted
3x40 amn Bns Painted

Light Infantry 12 Skirmishers Painted
30 Skirmishers Painted
30 Skirmishers (BofB) Painted
48 Skirm (BofB) unpainted

Infantry 406 Line Unpain
Greek Volunteers 1x24 man Bn Unpainted
Russian Sailors 1 x 24 Man Bn Unpainted

ARTILLERY Don Cossack Crew 54 men Painted
4 men unpainted
Line 34 men Painted
40 men unpainted
Limber crew 18 men Painted
36 men Unpainted

GUNS

6 Pdrs 10 Painted
6 Pdrs 5 Unpainted
9 Pdrs 7 Painted
9 Pdrs 4 Unpainted
18 Pdrs 4


CIVILIANS (Stupido) 24 Painted

Not completely exhaustive, but a fair indication of what is ready, and what is not.

Thinredline

[thinredline]

DAVE,

Certainly interested in the Ruleset, as mentioned, I am a lazy "b" when it comes to rules, but it gives us another option for playtesting prior to the LOGW in 2009, many thatnks if you can bring em along to our Nov Bash at the Airlie.

Kind regards
Thinredline

[barr7430]

Move over Cecil.....


ROBERT B. de Mille

More men there than a Biblical epic Bob..... my paltry collection appears to be a mere stain on the page compared to this List

[thinredline]

Well, not all of it is painted though, but I am trying (so is Fernando Enterprises) Cossacks and Rifles on the table at the mo. (Bob painting again)

If you take the cavalry as two castings, about 5000 pieces now split 2300 Wussians, and 2700 allies. Its heavy on artillery and cavalry - but heck - where would "Kellerman" be without a horse, or two

The unpainted volume never seems to diminish , even though the painted ranks are swelling

Thinredline
(maybe not so thin these days )

[barr7430]

Doctor Who's Tardis syndrome Bob

[neworks]

Bob,

I got a copy of Fire and Fury which I can drop off this week if you wish.

Dave

[sharnydubs]

Given the period in question I would be interetsed if the rules you are considering would adapt also to the Indian Mutiny 1856-1857.

Barry , any thoughts. More small scale skirmish than large battles with a lot of fighting within city walls.

[Theo Raykoske]

Dear Thin Red Line,

Am I right in thinking your figures for the Crimea are Foundry 25mms?

Do you know if Eureka do 25mm for this era?

Did you ever get a good enough set of rules to cover your big units?

Do you base in elements?

Theo